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−	~~[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/02/stair.html~~ The regulations regarding stair] width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.	+	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.

	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:		Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:
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	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.		- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.

−	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options: ~~[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/02/stair.html~~ For buildings other than dwellings] 1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.	+	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:
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		+	For buildings other than dwellings
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		+	1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.

	1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.		1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.

−	- A minimum stair width between enclosing walls, strings or upstands of 1200mm.~~[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/03/types-of-stairs.html~~ - ~~Minimum~~ width between handrails of 1000mm.]For dwellings	+	- A minimum stair width between enclosing walls, strings or upstands of 1200mm.
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		+	- A minimum width between handrails of 1000mm.
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		+	For dwellings

	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.		1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.
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	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:		So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:

−	2.33 A ~~[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/03/types-of-stairs.html~~ stair of ~~acceptabl]e~~ width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).	+	2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).

	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

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−	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.	+	[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/02/stair.html The regulations regarding stair] width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.

	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:		Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:
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	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.		- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.

−	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:	+	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options: [https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/02/stair.html For buildings other than dwellings] 1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.
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−	For buildings other than dwellings	+
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−	1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.	+

	1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.		1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.

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	1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.		1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.

−	- A minimum stair width between enclosing walls, strings or upstands of 1200mm.	+	- A minimum stair width between enclosing walls, strings or upstands of 1200mm.[https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/03/types-of-stairs.html - Minimum width between handrails of 1000mm.]For dwellings
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−	- ~~A minimum~~ width between handrails of 1000mm.	+
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−	For dwellings	+

	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.		1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.
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	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:		So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:

−	2.33 A stair of ~~acceptable~~ width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).	+	2.33 A [https://www.ishwaranand.com/2020/03/types-of-stairs.html stair of acceptabl]e width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).

	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

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		+	To muddy the waters a little more there's Part K1 paragraph 1.18 which is headed up "For buildings other than dwellings and common access areas in buildings that contain flats". Now, does that mean "other than common access areas in buildings that contain flats" or does it mean "for common access areas in buildings that contain flats". I interpret it as the former.
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		+	--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:40, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)

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	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

−	But, the question ~~for you~~ is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?	+	But, the question is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?

	--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)		--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)

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	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.		The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.
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	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:		Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:

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	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:		Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:
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	1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:		1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:
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	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.		- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.
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	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:		However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:
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	For buildings other than dwellings		For buildings other than dwellings

	1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.		1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.
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	1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.		1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.
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	- A minimum width between handrails of 1000mm.		- A minimum width between handrails of 1000mm.

−		+	For dwellings
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−	~~and~~ For dwellings	+

	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.		1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.

−		+	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:
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−	So paragraph 1.14 refers ~~us to Part B.~~	+
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−	~~So 1.14 sends~~ us to Part B, and under Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:	+
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	2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).		2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).
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	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

		+	But, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?

−		+	--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)
−	So, ~~the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?~~	+

Needleandmortar at 10:23, 11 August 2017

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		+	In designing staircases, in particular residential work, thought must be given to access for furniture. Spiral staircases for instance are a real problem for bedroom furniture and windows may not have big enough openings for alternative access.

−	~~To start a discussion about this article, click 'Add a comment' above and add your thoughts to this discussion page~~. ~~<br/>~~	+	-----
		+	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.

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−	~~In designing staircases~~, ~~in particular residential work, thought must be given~~ to access for ~~furniture~~. ~~Spiral staircases~~ for ~~instance are~~ a ~~real problem~~ for ~~bedroom furniture~~ and ~~windows~~ may ~~not~~ have ~~big enough openings~~ for ~~alternative access~~.	+
		+	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:
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		+	1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:
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		+	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does not have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a general access stair.
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		+	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.
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		+
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		+	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:
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		+
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		+	For buildings other than dwellings
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		+	1.14 For stairs that form part of means of escape, refer to Approved Document B: Fire safety, Volume 2 – Buildings other than dwelling houses.
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		+
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		+	1.15 For flights of stairs which do not form part of the means of escape, provide all of the following.
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		+	- A minimum stair width between enclosing walls, strings or upstands of 1200mm.
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		+	- A minimum width between handrails of 1000mm.
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		+	and For dwellings
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		+	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.
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		+	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B.
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		+	So 1.14 sends us to Part B, and under Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:
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		+	2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).
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		+	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.
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		+	So, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?

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	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.		The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.

−	~~===~~ Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says: ~~===~~	+	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:

	1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:		1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:
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	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.		- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.

−	~~===~~ However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options: ~~===~~	+	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:

	For buildings other than dwellings		For buildings other than dwellings
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	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.		1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.

−	~~===~~ So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says: ~~===~~	+	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:

	2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).		2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).
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	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

−	~~===~~ But, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”? ~~===~~	+	But, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?

	--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)		--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)

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	The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.		The regulations regarding stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats is so confusing.

−	Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says:	+	=== Starting with Part M, section M4(1) paragraph 1.12 says: ===

	1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:		1.12 The principal communal stairs that give access to the dwelling should comply with one of the following:
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	- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.		- Where the dwelling is on an upper floor and does have lift access, the stair meets the requirements of Part K for a utility stair.

−	However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options:	+	=== However, if we go to Part K, section 1, there is no specification of stair width for communal stairs in blocks of flats. Under “Width of flights of stairs” we only have two options: ===

	For buildings other than dwellings		For buildings other than dwellings
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	1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.		1.16 In exceptional circumstances where severely sloping plots are involved, a stepped change of level within the entrance storey may be unavoidable. In those instances ensure that stairs within the entrance storey of a dwelling have flights with a minimum stair width of 900mm.

−	So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says:	+	=== So paragraph 1.14 refers us to Part B, and under Part B Means of Escape from Flats, Width of common stairs, it says: ===

	2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).		2.33 A stair of acceptable width for everyday use will be suf cient for escape purposes, but if it is also a fire-fighting stair, it should be at least 1100mm wide (see Appendix C for measurement of width).
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	So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.		So we know from Appendix C that stair width in Part B is defined as being "clear width between the walls or balustrades”.

−	But, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”?	+	=== But, the question for you is, what is an "acceptable width for everyday use”? ===

	--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)		--[[User:Needleandmortar\|Needleandmortar]] 11:25, 11 Aug 2017 (BST)