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		<title>Designing Buildings at 12:45, 14 June 2018</title>
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		&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;What if the onsite shaft dimensions as not as proposed by the architect in consultation with the lift supplier. For e.g. Proposed Dimensions are 1950mm*2400mm and onsite dimensions are 1950mm*2288mm. What can be done in that case??&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;-----&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In response to the above question:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In response to the above question:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>46.208.30.64 at 11:54, 14 June 2018</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;minus;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;What if &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;onsite &lt;/del&gt;shaft &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;dimensions &lt;/del&gt;as &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;not &lt;/del&gt;as &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;proposed by &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;architect in &lt;/del&gt;consultation with the lift &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;supplier&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;For e.g. Proposed Dimensions are 1950mm*2400mm and onsite &lt;/del&gt;dimensions &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;are 1950mm*2288mm&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;What can be done in that case??&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In response to the above question:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;This depends on &lt;/ins&gt;the shaft &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;type - is this concrete or steel / boarded?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;First point is to determine the lift car size - how much clearance is there between the lift car and the shaft walls?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In the event this is a concrete shaft then this can become a significant issue &lt;/ins&gt;as &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;there is typically no secondary steelwork (to which the combination brackets / guides are fixed) so the ability to adjust these brackets is limited &lt;/ins&gt;as &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;they are fixed directly to &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;concrete. This will depend on the amount of clearance between the shaft walls and the lift car - is there sufficient space to install a compliant redesigned bracket?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;For steel / boarded type shafts typically there is a secondary steelwork detail that is fixed to the steels within the shaft bridging the gap to the lift car/counterweight guide brackets. In this instance then a &lt;/ins&gt;consultation with the &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;secondary steelwork designer / installer to adjust the design to maintain the same &lt;/ins&gt;lift &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;car size could usually be quite easy to do (cost / programme impact aside)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In the worse case then the lift car size will need to adjusted to suit the reduced shaft size&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In my experience the lift supplier will not take 'handover' of the shaft if it doesn't meet the required &lt;/ins&gt;dimensions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>103.26.49.1: Created page with &quot;What if the onsite shaft dimensions as not as proposed by the architect in consultation with the lift supplier. For e.g. Proposed Dimensions are 1950mm*2400mm and onsite dimensio...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;What if the onsite shaft dimensions as not as proposed by the architect in consultation with the lift supplier. For e.g. Proposed Dimensions are 1950mm*2400mm and onsite dimensio...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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