Talk:Assurance and self-certification - Revision history

Designing Buildings at 09:03, 7 November 2018

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−	"This article aims to give a greater understanding of assurance in all its guises and to show how self-certification can reduce ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cost~~ cost] and time by eliminating duplicate ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Inspection~~ inspections] and tests."	+	"This article aims to give a greater understanding of assurance in all its guises and to show how self-certification can reduce cost and time by eliminating duplicate inspections and tests."

	Does this go against the spirit of the recommendations of the Hackitt Review, namely that self-certification is not appropriate for all buildings and some oversight by someone other the installer/contractor (i.e. duplicate inspections and tests) is sometimes necessary? For instance, for high-rise residential buildings "building work that is carried out by ‘persons in a competent person’s scheme’ should be subject to full oversight by the JCA to enable it to fully discharge its duties".		Does this go against the spirit of the recommendations of the Hackitt Review, namely that self-certification is not appropriate for all buildings and some oversight by someone other the installer/contractor (i.e. duplicate inspections and tests) is sometimes necessary? For instance, for high-rise residential buildings "building work that is carried out by ‘persons in a competent person’s scheme’ should be subject to full oversight by the JCA to enable it to fully discharge its duties".

	What about those cases (e.g. the Scottish schools case, or Grenfell) where trust in a system turns out to be misplaced?		What about those cases (e.g. the Scottish schools case, or Grenfell) where trust in a system turns out to be misplaced?
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		+	As a response to the above, there is a clear statement that throws responsibility onto the Client to undertake such tests and inspections that are necessary to confirm the trust that should exist between the Client and Contractor. Naturally, the amount of checking will depend on the nature of the Works, the level of trust, which should increase as the Works progress, and the risks that have been identified by any Client/Contractor with a robust Quality Management System, especially under ISO 9001:2015. With this in mind, such building works as described above will require them to be undertaken by suitable persons and subject to an appropriately robust level of oversight.

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−	~~As a response~~ to ~~the above, there is~~ a ~~clear statement that throws responsibility onto the Client~~ to ~~undertake such tests~~ and inspections ~~that are necessary to confirm the trust that should exist between the Client~~ and ~~Contractor~~. ~~Naturally,~~ the ~~amount~~ of ~~checking will depend on~~ the ~~nature~~ of the ~~Works~~, ~~the level of trust, which should increase as the Works progress, and the risks~~ that ~~have been identified~~ by ~~any Client~~/~~Contractor with a robust Quality Management System, especially under ISO 9001:2015~~. ~~With this in mind~~, ~~such~~ building ~~works as described above will require them to be undertaken~~ by ~~suitable persons and~~ subject to ~~an appropriately robust level of~~ oversight.	+	"This article aims to give a greater understanding of assurance in all its guises and to show how self-certification can reduce [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cost cost] and time by eliminating duplicate [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Inspection inspections] and tests."
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		+	Does this go against the spirit of the recommendations of the Hackitt Review, namely that self-certification is not appropriate for all buildings and some oversight by someone other the installer/contractor (i.e. duplicate inspections and tests) is sometimes necessary? For instance, for high-rise residential buildings "building work that is carried out by ‘persons in a competent person’s scheme’ should be subject to full oversight by the JCA to enable it to fully discharge its duties".
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		+	What about those cases (e.g. the Scottish schools case, or Grenfell) where trust in a system turns out to be misplaced?

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−	~~Does this go against~~ the ~~spirit~~ of the ~~recommendations~~ of the ~~Hackitt Review~~, ~~namely~~ that ~~self-certification is not appropriate for all buildings and some oversight~~ by ~~someone other the installer~~/~~contractor (i~~.~~e. duplicate inspections and tests) is sometimes necessary? For instance~~, ~~for high-rise residential buildings "~~building ~~work that is carried out~~ by ~~‘persons in a competent person’s scheme’ should be~~ subject to ~~full~~ oversight ~~by the JCA to enable it to fully discharge its duties"~~.	+
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"This article aims to give a greater understanding of assurance in all its guises and to show how self-certification can reduce [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cost cost] and time by eliminating duplicate [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Inspection inspections] and tests."

Does this go against the spirit of the recommendations of the Hackitt Review, namely that self-certification is not appropriate for all buildings and some oversight by someone other the installer/contractor (i.e. duplicate inspections and tests) is sometimes necessary? For instance, for high-rise residential buildings "building work that is carried out by ‘persons in a competent person’s scheme’ should be subject to full oversight by the JCA to enable it to fully discharge its duties".

What about those cases (e.g. the Scottish schools case, or Grenfell) where trust in a system turns out to be misplaced?