Talk:ACM cladding - Revision history

Designing Buildings at 07:49, 1 March 2018

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−	'This states that ‘The external envelope of a building should not provide a medium for fire spread if it is likely to be a risk to health and safety. The use of combustible materials in the cladding system and extensive cavities may present such a risk in tall buildings.’ As a result, materials with limited combustibility must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'	+	-----
		+	Why has there not been any discussion on the relevancy of the compliance requirements for manufacturers/importers responsibilities under Construction Products Enforcement Regulations 2013 by MCHLG or the construction industry in regards to the cladding?
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		+	[https://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/uksi/2013/1387 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/uksi/2013/1387]
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		+	You mean the Construction Products Regulations.
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		+	The cladding had been tested, the question is whether the tests were appropriate / carried out on the correct product / applied correctly. The supplied test results restricted the use of the cladding to the exact configuration that had been tested and required that further tests be carried out if a different configuration was used.
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		+	In February 2018, BRE issued a statement revealing that the original tests they had carried out on the cladding system in 2014 were carried out on a test system that was not constructed according to Celotex’s design specification. See [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/ACM_cladding_testing_by_BRE#Original_testing https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/ACM_cladding_testing_by_BRE#Original_testing]
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		+	'This article states that ‘The external envelope of a building should not provide a medium for fire spread if it is likely to be a risk to health and safety. The use of combustible materials in the cladding system and extensive cavities may present such a risk in tall buildings.’ As a result, materials with limited combustibility must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'

	Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?		Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?
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−	~~Why has there not been any discussion on the relevancy~~ of ~~the compliance requirements~~ for ~~manufacturers/importers responsibilities under Construction Products Enforcement Regulations 2013 by MCHLG or the construction industry in regards~~ to the cladding?	+	'This states that ‘The external envelope of a building should not provide a medium for fire spread if it is likely to be a risk to health and safety. The use of combustible materials in the cladding system and extensive cavities may present such a risk in tall buildings.’ As a result, materials with limited combustibility must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'

−	~~https://www~~.~~legislation~~.~~gov~~.~~uk/id/uksi/2013/1387~~	+	Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?
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		+	Andrew
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194.61.79.254 at 16:46, 28 February 2018

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−	~~'This states that ‘The external envelope~~ of ~~a building should not provide a medium~~ for ~~fire spread if it is likely~~ to ~~be a risk to health and safety. The use of combustible materials in~~ the cladding ~~system and extensive cavities may present such a risk in tall buildings.’ As a result, materials with limited combustibility must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'~~	+	Why has there not been any discussion on the relevancy of the compliance requirements for manufacturers/importers responsibilities under Construction Products Enforcement Regulations 2013 by MCHLG or the construction industry in regards to the cladding?

−	~~Does this follow? 12~~.~~5 says that combustible materials may present a risk~~. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?	+	https://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/uksi/2013/1387
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Designing Buildings at 07:02, 4 January 2018

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−	'This states that ‘The external envelope of a building should not provide a medium for ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Fire~~ fire] spread if it is likely to be a ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Risk~~ risk] to ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Health_and_safety~~ health and safety]. The use of combustible ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Materials~~ materials] in the ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cladding~~ cladding] system and extensive cavities may present such a ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Risk~~ risk] in tall buildings.’ As a result, ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Materials~~ materials] with ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Limited_combustibility~~ limited combustibility] must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'	+	'This states that ‘The external envelope of a building should not provide a medium for fire spread if it is likely to be a risk to health and safety. The use of combustible materials in the cladding system and extensive cavities may present such a risk in tall buildings.’ As a result, materials with limited combustibility must be used in buildings with storeys more than 18 m above the ground.'

	Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?		Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?

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Andrew Chapman at 18:54, 3 January 2018

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−	~~Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said; "~~The insulation ~~was more flammable than the cladding~~. ~~Tests show~~ the ~~insulation samples combusted soon after the test started."~~	+	Does this follow? 12.5 says that combustible materials may present a risk. Then follows specific instructions, with 2 alternative routes to compliance. The Linear Route only specifies that insulation materials and filler materials etc should be of limited combustibility. Why then do you say in effect that the AD B2 requires that all materials be of limited combustibility?

−	~~So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?~~	+	Andrew
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−	~~This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].~~	+

Designing Buildings at 10:14, 7 August 2017

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	This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].		This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].
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−	~~A minor point but the picture showing the Torch building in Dubai is the wrong building.~~

86.98.214.204 at 09:23, 7 August 2017

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	This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].		This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].
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		+	A minor point but the picture showing the Torch building in Dubai is the wrong building.

Designing Buildings at 07:36, 22 July 2017

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−	Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said; "The ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Insulation~~ insulation] was more flammable than the ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cladding~~ cladding]. Tests show the ~~[https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Insulation~~ insulation~~] [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Samples~~ samples] combusted soon after the test started."	+	Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said; "The insulation was more flammable than the cladding. Tests show the insulation samples combusted soon after the test started."

	So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?		So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?

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−	This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation.	+	This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Celotex_RS5000_PIR_insulation here].

Designing Buildings at 07:35, 22 July 2017

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	So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?		So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?
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		+	This article is specifically about the ACM cladding. There is a separate article about the Celotex RS5000 PIR insulation.

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Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said; "The [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Insulation insulation] was more flammable than the [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Cladding cladding]. Tests show the [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Insulation insulation] [https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Samples samples] combusted soon after the test started."

So why does the article concentrate almost exclusively on the cladding and not the insulation when it appears that the insulation was the main fuel for the fire, not the cladding ?