Structural engineers' fees - Revision history

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	* Assessment of the competencies of other consultants.		* Assessment of the competencies of other consultants.

−	When agreeing fees, it is important to be clear exactly what services are being provided, for example, do the fees include travel, printing costs, outline and detailed planning applications and so on. For more information see: Scope of ~~sevices~~.	+	When agreeing fees, it is important to be clear exactly what services are being provided, for example, do the fees include travel, printing costs, outline and detailed planning applications and so on. For more information see: Scope of services.

	Professional institutes used to publish recommended fee scales expressed as a percentage of construction costs for a range of different building types. However, legislation aimed at preventing anti-competitive behaviour forced the institutes to abolish these scales, leaving little guidance for clients about what is normal.		Professional institutes used to publish recommended fee scales expressed as a percentage of construction costs for a range of different building types. However, legislation aimed at preventing anti-competitive behaviour forced the institutes to abolish these scales, leaving little guidance for clients about what is normal.
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	* Rates.		* Rates.
	* Schedule of services.		* Schedule of services.
−	* Scope of ~~sevices~~.	+	* Scope of services.
	* Sub-consultant.		* Sub-consultant.
	* Winning work.		* Winning work.

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−	[[File:Calculator_posterised.jpg\|link=File:Calculator_posterised.jpg]]Fees are generally payments requested by consultants to cover work they have undertaken for clients under the terms of an agreement. They are generally paid in instalments, either on regular dates or at pre-defined stages of completed work.	+	[[File:Calculator_posterised.jpg\|link=File:Calculator_posterised.jpg]]

−	~~Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost.~~ Fees are ~~entirely dependent on~~ the ~~nature~~ of ~~the project and the circumstances of the appointment~~. ~~Large new~~-~~build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial~~ work ~~may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees~~.	+	Fees are generally payments to consultants to cover work they have undertaken for clients under the terms of an agreement. They are generally paid in instalments, either on regular dates or at pre-agreed stages of completed work.

−	~~The ways~~ engineers ~~can calculate their~~ fees ~~for~~ a project ~~are shown below~~. ~~The examples given~~ are ~~indicative only~~ and ~~apply mainly to small projects~~. ~~Fee calculation~~ may ~~be based on:~~	+	Structural engineers fees may be calcuated based on time charges, as a fixed lump sum or as a percentage of the overall project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.

−	* Charging a lump sum, particularly for small projects (eg £1,000 for a standard domestic extension, plus extra for structural details or special foundations); or £750 for a loft conversion inclusive of calculations and structural details);	+	The examples given below are indicative only and apply mainly to small projects. Fee calculation may be based on:
−	* Flat-rate fees: site visits (eg starting at £150 per visit); design of steel beams and bearing details (eg, £75 for a single beam and £50 for each beam thereafter); masonry check (eg £100); goal-post frame (eg £200 - £300); and steel connections (eg £50 per connection)~~. VAT would also be added to these fees~~.	+
		+	* Charging a lump sum, particularly for small projects (eg £1,000 for a standard domestic extension, plus extra for structural details or special foundations; or £750 for a loft conversion inclusive of calculations and structural details);
		+	* Flat-rate fees: site visits (eg starting at £150 per visit); design of steel beams and bearing details (eg, £75 for a single beam and £50 for each beam thereafter); masonry check (eg £100); goal-post frame (eg £200 - £300); and steel connections (eg £50 per connection).
	* Hourly or daily rates (eg £80-£100/hour; £400-£500 per half day, etc);		* Hourly or daily rates (eg £80-£100/hour; £400-£500 per half day, etc);
	* A percentage of the project’s total cost (see table below).		* A percentage of the project’s total cost (see table below).
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−	~~On some projects, a practice may charge for a structural engineering service up to Building Regulations approval (Part A), including AutoCAD drawings and specification notes at a rate of 2.5% of~~ the ~~build costs for building the shell. The rate may be higher, eg 4% if reinforced concrete works, drawings and schedules are involved.~~	+	Other things that might affect the fees charged include:

−	~~Some UK structural engineers charge on a project-by-project basis which will depend on numerous variables:~~	+	* Type and complexity of project (eg hospital v industrial shed);
−		+
−	* Size of project;	+
−	* Type and complexity of project;	+
	* Scope of services. For example, full design and site inspection will attract a higher fee than a preliminary design that is then developed by the contractor;		* Scope of services. For example, full design and site inspection will attract a higher fee than a preliminary design that is then developed by the contractor;
	* Anticipated repeat and/or bespoke elements of the design;		* Anticipated repeat and/or bespoke elements of the design;
	* Location of site and other consultant practices;		* Location of site and other consultant practices;
	* Reputation of practice. For example, an accomplished engineering firm may charge more than one that is newly qualified;		* Reputation of practice. For example, an accomplished engineering firm may charge more than one that is newly qualified;
−	* Client organisation and track record. This ~~will~~ affect how much support is required and the risk perceived by the engineers;	+	* Client organisation and track record. This may affect how much support is required and the risk perceived by the engineers;
	* Conditions of engagement. For example, the requirement for collateral warranties and partnering arrangements;		* Conditions of engagement. For example, the requirement for collateral warranties and partnering arrangements;
−	* Anticipated programme and ~~resources. The outputs in a short or long programme are the same. However, a longer programme prolongs administrative~~ resources required ~~such as attending meetings and responding to requests for information. Thus~~. ~~percentage fees for a longer period will tend to be higher;~~	+	* Anticipated programme and resources required.
−	* Economic climate ~~of supply and demand~~. Fees may be lower during recessions and higher during booms;	+	* Economic climate. Fees may be lower during recessions and higher during booms;
	* Consultant workload, and		* Consultant workload, and
	* Assessment of the competencies of other consultants.		* Assessment of the competencies of other consultants.

−	~~== Historic~~ fee ~~calculation ==~~	+	When agreeing fees, it is important to be clear exactly what services are being provided, for example, do the fees include travel, printing costs, outline and detailed planning applications and so on. For more information see: Scope of sevices.
		+
		+	Professional institutes used to publish recommended fee scales expressed as a percentage of construction costs for a range of different building types. However, legislation aimed at preventing anti-competitive behaviour forced the institutes to abolish these scales, leaving little guidance for clients about what is normal.

−	~~Professional institutes used to publish recommended fee scales expressed as~~ a ~~percentage of construction costs~~ for a ~~range of different building types~~. ~~However~~, ~~legislation aimed at preventing anti-competitive behaviour forced the institutes to abolish these scales~~, ~~leaving fee negotiation~~ to ~~market forces~~.	+	Consequently, bidding for consultancy work has become a free-for-all in a highly competitive market. Some commentators argue that this has driven down fees, however, it may also have driven down standards and led to much design work being transferred from consultants to specialist contractors and suppliers who include design costs in their building agreements.

−	~~Consequently, bidding~~ for ~~consultancy work has become a free-for-all in a highly competitive market. Some commentators argue that this has driven down~~ fees, ~~however, it may also have driven down standards and led~~ to ~~much design work~~ being ~~transferred from consultants~~ to ~~specialist contractors and suppliers who include design costs in their building agreements. The design co-ordination issues this has caused has had far-reaching consequences and supplied~~ the ~~legal profession with a constant flow of disputes about responsibility for disruption and delays~~.	+	It is important therefore to obtain several quotes for fees, to be clear what is being provided and to be wary of just assuming the lowest quote provides the best value.

	= Related articles on Designing Buildings Wiki =		= Related articles on Designing Buildings Wiki =
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	* Rates.		* Rates.
	* Schedule of services.		* Schedule of services.
−	* ~~Search fees~~.	+	* Scope of sevices.
	* Sub-consultant.		* Sub-consultant.
	* Winning work.		* Winning work.

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Editor at 16:49, 14 August 2019

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	Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.		Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.

−	~~There~~ ways engineers can calculate their fees for a project are shown below. The examples given are indicative only and apply mainly to small projects. Fee calculation may be based on:	+	The ways engineers can calculate their fees for a project are shown below. The examples given are indicative only and apply mainly to small projects. Fee calculation may be based on:

	* Charging a lump sum, particularly for small projects (eg £1,000 for a standard domestic extension, plus extra for structural details or special foundations); or £750 for a loft conversion inclusive of calculations and structural details);		* Charging a lump sum, particularly for small projects (eg £1,000 for a standard domestic extension, plus extra for structural details or special foundations); or £750 for a loft conversion inclusive of calculations and structural details);
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	\|width="14%"\| Construction cost (excl. contingencies and VAT)		\|width="14%"\| Construction cost (excl. contingencies and VAT)
	\|width="14%"\| Under £1.5m		\|width="14%"\| Under £1.5m
−	\|width="14%"\| £1.5 - £3m	+	\|width="14%"\| £1.5m - £3m
	\|width="14%"\| £3m - £10m		\|width="14%"\| £3m - £10m
	\|width="14%"\| £10m - £25m		\|width="14%"\| £10m - £25m
−	\|width="14%"\|	+	\|width="14%"\| £25m –£50m
−	£25m –	+
−		+
−	~~£50m~~	+
	\|width="14%"\| £50m+		\|width="14%"\| £50m+
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	2%		2%

−	~~£30,000~~ max	+	£30k
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		+	max
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	2%		2%

−	~~£30,000~~ –	+	£30k –

−	~~£60,000~~	+	£60k
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	1.8%		1.8%

−	~~£54,000 –~~	+	£54k–

−	~~£180,000~~	+	£180k
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	1.5%		1.5%

−	~~£150,000~~ –	+	£150k –

−	~~£375,000~~	+	£375k
	\|		\|
	1%		1%

−	~~£250,000~~ –	+	£250k –

−	~~£500,000~~	+	£500k
	\|		\|
	1%		1%

−	~~£500,000~~+	+	£500k+
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−	[[File:~~Calculator posterised~~.jpg]]Fees are generally payments requested by consultants to cover work they have undertaken for clients under the terms of an agreement. They are generally paid in instalments, either on regular dates or at pre-defined stages of completed work.	+	[[File:Calculator_posterised.jpg\|link=File:Calculator_posterised.jpg]]Fees are generally payments requested by consultants to cover work they have undertaken for clients under the terms of an agreement. They are generally paid in instalments, either on regular dates or at pre-defined stages of completed work.

	Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.		Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.
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−	\|width="14%"\| Construction cost (~~excluding~~ contingencies and VAT)	+	\|width="14%"\| Construction cost (excl. contingencies and VAT)
	\|width="14%"\| Under £1.5m		\|width="14%"\| Under £1.5m
	\|width="14%"\| £1.5 - £3m		\|width="14%"\| £1.5 - £3m
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−	\| ~~Structural~~ engineer ~~percentage~~ and actual fee	+	\| Struct'al engineer % and actual fee
	\|		\|
	2%		2%

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[[File:Calculator posterised.jpg]]Fees are generally payments requested by consultants to cover work they have undertaken for clients under the terms of an agreement. They are generally paid in instalments, either on regular dates or at pre-defined stages of completed work.

Structural engineers may be paid hourly, daily, as a lump sum or as a percentage of the project cost. Fees are entirely dependent on the nature of the project and the circumstances of the appointment. Large new-build projects may attract lower percentage fees than small works to existing buildings (see table below), commercial work may attract lower fees than private residential work, and works to historic or listed buildings may attract higher fees.

There ways engineers can calculate their fees for a project are shown below. The examples given are indicative only and apply mainly to small projects. Fee calculation may be based on:

* Charging a lump sum, particularly for small projects (eg £1,000 for a standard domestic extension, plus extra for structural details or special foundations); or £750 for a loft conversion inclusive of calculations and structural details);
* Flat-rate fees: site visits (eg starting at £150 per visit); design of steel beams and bearing details (eg, £75 for a single beam and £50 for each beam thereafter); masonry check (eg £100); goal-post frame (eg £200 - £300); and steel connections (eg £50 per connection). VAT would also be added to these fees.
* Hourly or daily rates (eg £80-£100/hour; £400-£500 per half day, etc);
* A percentage of the project’s total cost (see table below).

The fee percentage will depend on the size of the project (in project cost terms). The following table gives the fees a structural engineer might charge (at 2013 prices) for work undertaken on commercial office developments in London of varying costs.

{|
|width="14%"| Construction cost (excluding contingencies and VAT)
|width="14%"| Under £1.5m
|width="14%"| £1.5 - £3m
|width="14%"| £3m - £10m
|width="14%"| £10m - £25m
|width="14%"|
£25m –

£50m
|width="14%"| £50m+
|-
| Structural engineer percentage and actual fee
|
2%

£30,000 max
|
2%

£30,000 –

£60,000
|
1.8%

£54,000 –

£180,000
|
1.5%

£150,000 –

£375,000
|
1%

£250,000 –

£500,000
|
1%

£500,000+
|}

On some projects, a practice may charge for a structural engineering service up to Building Regulations approval (Part A), including AutoCAD drawings and specification notes at a rate of 2.5% of the build costs for building the shell. The rate may be higher, eg 4% if reinforced concrete works, drawings and schedules are involved.

Some UK structural engineers charge on a project-by-project basis which will depend on numerous variables:

* Size of project;
* Type and complexity of project;
* Scope of services. For example, full design and site inspection will attract a higher fee than a preliminary design that is then developed by the contractor;
* Anticipated repeat and/or bespoke elements of the design;
* Location of site and other consultant practices;
* Reputation of practice. For example, an accomplished engineering firm may charge more than one that is newly qualified;
* Client organisation and track record. This will affect how much support is required and the risk perceived by the engineers;
* Conditions of engagement. For example, the requirement for collateral warranties and partnering arrangements;
* Anticipated programme and resources. The outputs in a short or long programme are the same. However, a longer programme prolongs administrative resources required such as attending meetings and responding to requests for information. Thus. percentage fees for a longer period will tend to be higher;
* Economic climate of supply and demand. Fees may be lower during recessions and higher during booms;
* Consultant workload, and
* Assessment of the competencies of other consultants.

== Historic fee calculation ==

Professional institutes used to publish recommended fee scales expressed as a percentage of construction costs for a range of different building types. However, legislation aimed at preventing anti-competitive behaviour forced the institutes to abolish these scales, leaving fee negotiation to market forces.

Consequently, bidding for consultancy work has become a free-for-all in a highly competitive market. Some commentators argue that this has driven down fees, however, it may also have driven down standards and led to much design work being transferred from consultants to specialist contractors and suppliers who include design costs in their building agreements. The design co-ordination issues this has caused has had far-reaching consequences and supplied the legal profession with a constant flow of disputes about responsibility for disruption and delays.

= Related articles on Designing Buildings Wiki =

* Appointing consultants.
* Architects fees.
* Base date.
* Charge-out rate.
* Compensation.
* Consideration.
* Construction organisations and strategy.
* Consultant team.
* Contractual obligation.
* Design team.
* Disbursement.
* Hourly rate.
* Invoice.
* Letter of appointment.
* Planning fees.
* Quantity surveyor’s fees.
* Rates.
* Schedule of services.
* Search fees.
* Sub-consultant.
* Winning work.

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