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	Overall though, one of the delights of being a President is travelling around some great examples of architectural technology presenting plaques to people.		Overall though, one of the delights of being a President is travelling around some great examples of architectural technology presenting plaques to people.
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	Certainly, it’s going to be challenging times with however it gets parcelled up. Whatever our point of view on Remain or Leave, it is what it is, and government are having to proceed as best they can. Who knows really?!		Certainly, it’s going to be challenging times with however it gets parcelled up. Whatever our point of view on Remain or Leave, it is what it is, and government are having to proceed as best they can. Who knows really?!
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		+	In November 2017, Gary Mees completed his two year term as President of the Chartered Institute of Architectural Technologists (CIAT).
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	We’re always trying to get the term ‘architectural technologist’, especially with ‘chartered’ attached, out there in public consciousness, so there is the recognition that they can expect to receive a professional service. Unfortunately, too many people still don't understand the difference between architectural technologists and architects!		We’re always trying to get the term ‘architectural technologist’, especially with ‘chartered’ attached, out there in public consciousness, so there is the recognition that they can expect to receive a professional service. Unfortunately, too many people still don't understand the difference between architectural technologists and architects!

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	I don’t think there is one nugget that could solve the problem. There’s a whole raft of questions which sadly will take perhaps even 5-10 years to all be answered. I know the public and government want answers quickly, but they are not easily arrived at other than being quite prescriptive about what we do in the future. We have tried as an industry to move away from that prescriptivism and focus on performance, but maybe that’s no longer working.		I don’t think there is one nugget that could solve the problem. There’s a whole raft of questions which sadly will take perhaps even 5-10 years to all be answered. I know the public and government want answers quickly, but they are not easily arrived at other than being quite prescriptive about what we do in the future. We have tried as an industry to move away from that prescriptivism and focus on performance, but maybe that’s no longer working.

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	Smaller, younger practices have got to take on people who aren’t going to perhaps be as useful as they’d like initially, but certainly they can help nurture that talent as they see fit. Obviously we still have to look at the schools and colleges – how are they presenting the careers to them. We need to get into the schools to explain to them what an architectural technologist is.		Smaller, younger practices have got to take on people who aren’t going to perhaps be as useful as they’d like initially, but certainly they can help nurture that talent as they see fit. Obviously we still have to look at the schools and colleges – how are they presenting the careers to them. We need to get into the schools to explain to them what an architectural technologist is.

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−	Mostly what I’ve been trying to do within the institute is focus on our strategy and corporate plan, to get the internal mechanisms running so that we’re all in the same position and know the direction we’re going in. That was part-and-parcel of what I talked about when I was President Elect – to try and get ourselves more focused as a business.	+	Mostly what I’ve been trying to do within the institute is focus on our strategy and corporate plan, to get the internal mechanisms running so that we’re all in the same position and know the direction we’re going in. That was part-and-parcel of what I talked about when I was President-Elect – to try and get ourselves more focused as a business.

	My ethos has primarily been that we as practitioners are not just accepting of what comes out of legislation, but that we get involved in the process of it and help develop and hopefully direct some of it with some reasonable direction, and we are doing that at the moment by being heavily involved with CIC relating to the Grenfell tower fire..		My ethos has primarily been that we as practitioners are not just accepting of what comes out of legislation, but that we get involved in the process of it and help develop and hopefully direct some of it with some reasonable direction, and we are doing that at the moment by being heavily involved with CIC relating to the Grenfell tower fire..
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	We’re also involved in the Cole Report, looking at the Edinburgh schools defects. As a designer you come up with decisions based on certain parameters and when that moves on, depending on the type of contract it is, the reasoning behind the decisions made get lost and forgotten about. And all of a sudden, a contractor makes another decision for whatever reason. So continuity of design is lost too easily.		We’re also involved in the Cole Report, looking at the Edinburgh schools defects. As a designer you come up with decisions based on certain parameters and when that moves on, depending on the type of contract it is, the reasoning behind the decisions made get lost and forgotten about. And all of a sudden, a contractor makes another decision for whatever reason. So continuity of design is lost too easily.

−	If you were to pull back the design team to say ~~‘we~~ want to change ~~this’~~, what would the implications be? Of course, that backward step costs money, and everyone is very value-conscious, we are an industry driven in one direction by clients who say "well, the project won’t go ahead". I suspect in the future, whatever comes out of Grenfell, we may end up with a situation where there’ll be big projects that won’t go ahead because people will say "we can’t afford to do it that way, you’ll have to do it that way".	+	If you were to pull back the design team to say "we want to change this", what would the implications be? Of course, that backward step costs money, and everyone is very value-conscious, we are an industry driven in one direction by clients who say "well, the project won’t go ahead". I suspect in the future, whatever comes out of Grenfell, we may end up with a situation where there’ll be big projects that won’t go ahead because people will say "we can’t afford to do it that way, you’ll have to do it that way".

	I don’t think there is one nugget that could solve the problem. There’s a whole raft of questions which sadly will take perhaps even 5-10 years to all be answered. I know the public and government want answers quickly, but they are not easily arrived at other than being quite prescriptive about what we do in the future. We have tried as an industry to move away from that prescriptivism and focus on performance, but maybe that’s no longer working.		I don’t think there is one nugget that could solve the problem. There’s a whole raft of questions which sadly will take perhaps even 5-10 years to all be answered. I know the public and government want answers quickly, but they are not easily arrived at other than being quite prescriptive about what we do in the future. We have tried as an industry to move away from that prescriptivism and focus on performance, but maybe that’s no longer working.
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−	~~I hope to still work with CIAT, I’ll be nestling back into~~ a ~~regional~~ committee, ~~seeing if we can get~~ more ~~things going at that level~~.	+	I’ve also been appointed as chair of a working group for the Building Standards Division of the Scottish Government for about 2 and a half years, working with the committee reviewing standards. So I feel like a bit of a glutton for punishment, but I probably won’t rest on my laurels yet!
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		+	In November 2017, CIAT inaugurated Alex Naraian as their new President. For more information, [[CIAT_inaugurate_Alex_Naraian_as_new_President\|see this article]].
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		+	= Find out more =
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		+	=== Related articles on Designing Buildings Wiki ===

−	~~I’ve also been appointed~~ as ~~building standards director in Edinburgh for about 2 and a half years, reviewing standards~~. ~~So I feel like a bit~~ of ~~a glutton for punishment, but I probably won’t rest on my laurels yet!~~	+	* [[Chartered_Institute_of_Architectural_Technologists_CIAT\|CIAT articles on Designing Buildings Wiki.]]
		+	* Architectural technologist.
		+	* Architectural Technology Awards 2017.
		+	* CIAT inaugurate Alex Naraian as new President.
		+	* CIAT response to Grenfell inquiry.
		+	* List of interviews.

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* Your term as President of CIAT comes to end later in November. What will you take from the two years and is there anything in particular from your term that you are most proud of?

Mostly what I’ve been trying to do within the institute is focus very much on what we have as a strategy and corporate plan, to get the internal mechanisms running so that we’re all in the same position and know the direction we’re going in. That has probably been my major item that was part and parcel of what I talked about when I was President Elect – to try and get ourselves more focused as a business.

One of the delights of being a President is travelling around some great examples of architectural technology, as part of our awards ceremony, and present plaques to people. No conversation can go on at the moment without discussion of the Grenfell tower fire, and we as an organisation are quite heavily involved with CIC feeding into government. My ethos has primarily been that we as practioners are not just accepting what comes out of legislation, but that we get involved in the process of it and help develop and hopefully direct some of it with some reasonable direction.

* Do you think awareness and appreciation of the work of architectural technologists is increasing, is there more work to be done in this area?

There’s always more that could be done, that’s why we’re so interested in working with Designing Building Wiki. We’re always trying to get the term ‘architectural technologist’, especially ‘chartered’, out there in public consciousness so there is the recognition that they can expect to receive a professional service.

* What excites you most about the development of smart buildings and how are CIAT engaging with this, and other new trends?

I don’t see an awful lot of it, although I’m sure we are. I’m in my 44th year in the industry so I’m certainly at the tail-end of my career, but I love my technology and with everything that’s coming through – virtual reality, BIM, Cloud data, etc. – I must admit I wish I were starting out again. I keep saying to younger practices that they need to be engaging with and understanding the processes of BIM because if you don’t or haven’t started the process, they will have a steep learning curve and may get left behind. Clients demand these tools now so we have to be able to use them to perform efficiently.

* Is there the concern that new technologies are developing at such a rapid pace that the built environment will be unable to keep up? Considering there are still basic things, such as closing the performance gap, that the industry struggles with.

I was asked to give a talk about integrating technology into architectural technology and I questioned it, having come from T-squares, razorblades and that sort of thing, you are constantly updating and have to. I’m an external examiner at Robert Gordon University and I constantly say to students that if they speak to someone who says “it’s the way I’ve always done it”, they should stop listening. You cannot survive just by doing things the way you’ve always done it, you have to explore new technologies that you’re putting into buildings because clients want to know what’s new or how they can most efficiently achieve certain performances. What we try to ensure is that people think of fabric first principles before adding the ‘carbon bling’, certainly in Scotland you need to make it a dwelling compliant with the standards required in terms of energy efficiency.

* A week or so ago, CIAT submitted its response to the government’s independent review of Buildings Regulations and Fire Safety following Grenfell. If there was one key recommendation that you’d like to see them take on board, what would that be?

As I see it, Grenfell is quite a complex scenario. We’re also involved in the Cole Report, looking at the Edinburgh schools defects. One of the things I said to the minister during that, was that we lose the continuity within a designer. As a designer you come up with decisions based on certain parameters and when that moves on, depending on the type of contract it is, the reasoning behind the decisions made get lost and forgotten about. And all of a sudden, a contractor makes another decision for whatever reason. We still don’t know the primary causes of what went on with Grenfell. If you pulled back the design team to say ‘we want to change this’, what are the implications? Of coruse doing that backward step costs money, and everyone is very value-conscious, we are an industry driven in one direction, by clients ultimately who say ‘well, the project won’t go ahead’. I suspect in the future, whatever comes out of Grenfell, we may end up with a situation where there’ll be big projects that won’t go ahead because people will say ‘we can’t afford to do it that way, you’ll have to do it that way’. I don’t think there is one nugget that could solve the problem. There’s a whole raft of questions which sadly will take perhaps even 5-10 years to all be answered. I know the government are wanting answers quickly, but they are not easily arrived at other than being quite prescriptive about what we do in the future. We have tried as an industry to move away from that prescriptivism, and focus on performance, but maybe that’s no longer working.

* Do you think the construction sector is well-poised to deal with Brexit? What concerns you the most? What would you like to see from the government moving forwards?

We have a government that doesn’t seem to know what to do about it. We have to try and position ourselves, as a young institute we pride ourselves on being able to move quickly, and I think that’s what the industry will have to do in order to survive whatever comes out of Brexit. Certainly, it’s going to be challenging times with however it gets parcelled up. Whatever our point of view on Remain or Leave, it is what it is, and government are having to proceed as best they can. Who knows really?!

* Are you frustrated by the continual problems in terms of the skills shortage and what more could be done to promote careers in architectural technology?

The problem is that people are coming out of university and faced with firms who always experience.We can’t all sit back and say ‘we want someone with experience’, you’ve got young people coming out of college, some may be fortunate and get a bit of experience during their time there, but as an industry there are so many small firms – less than 10 people.But if we keep turning young people away because they have no experience, we’re not going to have anybody in a few years time. Smaller, younger practices have got to take on people who aren’t going to perhaps be as useful as they’d like initially, but certainly they can formulate their talent and nurture it how you want. Obviously we still have to look at the schools and colleges – how are they presenting the careers to them. We need to get into the schools to explain to them what an architectural technologist is.

* What’s next?

I hope to still work with CIAT, I’ve also been appointed as building standards director in Edinburgh for about 2 and a half years, reviewing building standards. So I feel like a bit of a glutten for punishment! I’ll be nestling back into a regional committee, seeing if we can get more things going at that level. I probably won’t rest on my laurels yet!

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